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March162016Telecon

Original proposal:

  • Direct
    • custom
    • general purpose
  • Indirect
    • middleware
    • library interposition

Sean Ziegeler proposal:

  • dedicated, internal
  • dedicated, external API (catalyst, libsim)
  • multi-purpose, external API (ADIOS, Glean)
  • external interception (interposition), LD_PRELOAD
  • external inspection (Fogal)

Joseph Cottam proposal (all names are provisional):

  • Explicit: The sim knows that there is a vis. The vis knows that there is a sim. This may be sim makes API calls to some visualization or some custom-coded vis.
  • Permissive: The vis knows there is something, but isn't necessarily sure what is there. ADIOS fits this.
  • Clandestine: The sim does not know there is a vis. LD_PRELOAD or source code instrumentation (like how Tau uses PDT) fit in this category or MPI-IO call intercepts.

Hank's attempt:

  • Embedded / bespoke / tailor-made / custom / compiled in
  • API
    • Dedicated (Catalyst, libsim)
    • General (ADIOS, Glean)
  • "Clandestine" ("transparent"? "oblivious"? "concealed"?) (How about "invisible"?)
    • inspection
    • interposition

Group attempt:

  • application-aware
    • bespoke
    • dedicated API (Catalyst, libsim)
    • multi-purpose API (ADIOS, Glean)
  • application-unaware
    • interposition
    • inspection

Concern brought up at end: bespoke / dedicated / multi-purpose are points along a spectrum of methodology for application-aware integration. The concern is that interposition vs. inspection wasn't a change in methodology but rather more of a change in 'how' the system achieves an end. Tom F. argued that inspection offers considerably more in terms of expressibility, able to realize a much wider breadth of in situ approaches than interposition (succinctly: one can implement interposition-style in situ with inspection, but inspection-level control with interposition is impossible), and so this change is more than just an implementation detail.

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